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Traveller-digest    Wednesday, December 22 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1553<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: The Death of Q<BR>
Re: Traveller roadshows<BR>
Re: Subject: In Jokes<BR>
RE: [OT] What does this have to do with:  War of 1812<BR>
Re: In Jokes<BR>
Re: China (was: United States)<BR>
Re: In Jokes<BR>
RE: England<BR>
Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
RE: Traveller roadshows<BR>
Re: In Jokes<BR>
RE: England<BR>
Re: the north american union<BR>
Re: War of 1812, xFW, nTh IW<BR>
Re: 3I Sports<BR>
Re: England<BR>
RE: Traveller roadshows<BR>
RE: Traveller roadshows<BR>
Re: Traveller roadshows<BR>
RE: England<BR>
Re: Traveller roadshows<BR>
perception of distance<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:16:27 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: The Death of Q<BR>
<BR>
> Yes, but he won't be *Q*. There has always been just one Q--007 may<BR>
>come and go, as well as M, Moneypenney, and just about everybody<BR>
>else, but  Q is a constant ...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Bond quipped in the last film "So, that'd make you 'R' then?"<BR>
<BR>
ISTR hearing they're actually going to refer to the replacement character as<BR>
R.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:17:57 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller roadshows<BR>
<BR>
>>>Really? Where in the north? I'm in Lancashire, near Rochdale.<BR>
>>Doncaster mate, the right side of the Pennines  *grin*<BR>
>Leeds here,<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Cornwall. Ya don't get a lot more South than that.<BR>
(But I go to Durham uni, so I have Northern aspirations.)<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:24:12 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Subject: In Jokes<BR>
<BR>
Glenn Goffin writes:<BR>
> I think I've heard this story.  Point-blank high<BR>
> energy weapon fire just doesn't make sense.  The firer<BR>
> is in his own danger space.  It's like using a grenade<BR>
> launcher at point-blank range (in fact, the grenade of<BR>
> the M-79 is not armed until enough time after firing<BR>
> so that it should be several meters away). <BR>
<BR>
I believe the point was that the target survived point-blank high energy weapons fire, not that the firer survived it.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:23:50 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: RE: [OT] What does this have to do with:  War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Trevor, Peter wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
> > Yeah, I'm an American, I eat fire for *breakfast*!<BR>
> <BR>
> I eat cereal ... its healthier.<BR>
> <BR>
Pizza and Jolt, it's the breakfast of Champions.<BR>
<BR>
Well actually I more often eat miso soup (at home) or cranberry bread (at<BR>
work).<BR>
<BR>
I am too lactose intolerant to eat cereal with milk and I'm allergic to<BR>
corn which is in most of them.  So when I do find one I can eat, I eat it<BR>
out of the box like chips as a snack.<BR>
<BR>
> > > Location shots when not by that rock  in  California:  X-Files  is<BR>
> > > shot mainly in Canada,<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Yeah, but Chris Carter wanted to move the show to California to be<BR>
> > closer to his love interest.<BR>
> <BR>
> I thought it was David Duckovn ... Duch ... what the hell kind of<BR>
> name is that anyway?  Anyway, I thought it was DD who  wanted  to<BR>
> be in California.<BR>
> <BR>
David Duchovny and Chris Carter?  Won't Tea be shocked!  Watch it, you are<BR>
talking about one of the very few white men I would consider sleeping with<BR>
if Hiroshi agreed to give his permission or didn't exist.<BR>
<BR>
> Okay, just to be fair ... one of my Trav players won 1st place in<BR>
> the UK M:TG championship and a free ride to the  US  championship<BR>
> in Seattle (a few years ago).  Mere days before he left he looked<BR>
> in his atlas and was stunned when he saw where Seattle was ... he<BR>
> thought it was near New York.<BR>
> <BR>
When I taught Freshman History at the University of Kentucky as a TA<BR>
seemingly eons ago, I gave a quiz.  I took a blank map of Europe with<BR>
country boundaries drawn in but no place names and asked students to find:<BR>
<BR>
London<BR>
Paris<BR>
Rome<BR>
Athens<BR>
Istanbul not Constantinople  ^_-<BR>
<BR>
The quiz was worth 10 points.  1 point for getting the city in the right<BR>
place and 1 point for getting it in the right COUNTRY.  You'd be amazed<BR>
how many 2's and 3's I gave.<BR>
<BR>
Then there are all my Japanese ex-BF's who came to San Francisco with<BR>
nothing but T-shirts, shorts and a single pair of jeans if they were<BR>
smart, because "California is hot".  I can't complain too much, it was fun<BR>
keeping them warm.<BR>
<BR>
> > > (Appologies if anyone offended, was ment in jest.)<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Yeah, you say that now. My apologies, I just got back from<BR>
> > Christmas shopping and I lugged around an obscenely expensive<BR>
> > big hunk of stone in the shape of an angel (a perfect near-c<BR>
> > rock candidate) for hours. I'm surly and sore.<BR>
> <BR>
> Ah, the spirit of Christmas ... where all good folk  go  out  and<BR>
> support their local retailer.  To complete  the  ritual:  on  the<BR>
> 25th you over-eat rich food, over-drink, projectile vomit on  the<BR>
> cat (if you don't own a cat borrow a neighbour's), and  pass  out<BR>
> in front of the TV (which will be showing the ever  festive  "The<BR>
> Great Escape").<BR>
> <BR>
Um I think I'm going to clean my house and go to the movies.  =)<BR>
<BR>
Maybe I'll buy a new VCR so I can watch movies while I fix my old one.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri =)<BR>
<BR>
(I send New Year's Cards to everybody, no one gets offended... make<BR>
cookies and give them to people... go to Japan, when possible, and buy<BR>
presents there to give to people when I get home... it is not crazy and I <BR>
get to be in a place that I like... but this new job won't give me<BR>
vacation time yet so I'm stuck here...)<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan				 93!  Thou Art God <BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:26:42 +0000<BR>
From: Ewan Quibell <E.D.Quibell@bton.ac.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: In Jokes<BR>
<BR>
Carlos Alos-Ferrer wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > > (several exchanges later, Sid's Vargr kicks the marine to death, while<BR>
> <BR>
> Hmmmm... correct me if I am wrong here, but I have always thought<BR>
> Vargr physiology makes their kicks pretty ineffective, right? I seem<BR>
> to remember the rule of thumb... "Vargr can't kick." <shrug>.<BR>
> Carlos<BR>
<BR>
As I was reading all three Vargr Alien modules the night before last I<BR>
can concur. It says in one of them that Vargr can kick. I couldn't tell<BR>
you which one though.<BR>
<BR>
Ewan<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
   Ewan Quibell                       Their's not to make reply,<BR>
   Senior Communications Engineer     Their's not to reason why,<BR>
   Computer Centre                    Their's but to do and die:<BR>
   University of Brighton             Into the valley of Death<BR>
                                      Rode the six hundred.<BR>
   E.D.Quibell@brighton.ac.uk              Alfred, Lord Tennyson<BR>
<BR>
   #include<stddisclaimer.h><BR>
<BR>
   My spelling is entirely due to dyslexia, typos, and poetic license<BR>
<BR>
   University of Brighton - Sunday Times' University of the Year<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:31:09 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: China (was: United States)<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Kelly St.Clair wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:53:49 -0500 (EST) Kenji Schwarz<BR>
> <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
> <BR>
> >Hm, what's changed, say, just between Shang and Qing... mode of<BR>
> >government, political philosophy, governmental structure and operations,<BR>
> >population structure, ecological setting, diet, agricultural and<BR>
> >industrial technology, language, literature, arts, kinship system, dress,<BR>
> >settlement patterns, religion, ethical philosophy, Pokemon, and RPGs.<BR>
> >You're right! The Orient *is* changeless and ancient!<BR>
> <BR>
> "Emperors come and go, but the Bureaucracy lives on."<BR>
<BR>
But it didn't :)  It changed radically, several times, between Han and<BR>
Qing, and even more after that.<BR>
<BR>
> Just off the top of the head, though:<BR>
> <BR>
> The trading fleets that represented a brief change from historical<BR>
> isolationism, during what the rest of the world came to call the Age of<BR>
> Discovery.  The ships were soon called back and destroyed; no profit in<BR>
> stirring up the foreign devils.<BR>
<BR>
Said "trading fleets" were all organized and controlled by the court.  I<BR>
find it hard to see this as an innovation being suppressed as much as a<BR>
shift in internal government policy.<BR>
<BR>
> The man-carrying kite, whose creator was put to death by an Emperor who<BR>
> feared its consequences.  (Or was that just a fable?)<BR>
<BR>
I've heard this before, but haven't been able to find any source for it.  <BR>
<BR>
> Afraid I don't have a third, but a little research (perhaps in the modern<BR>
> era) might turn up something.  Tien An Men Square, perhaps, if one counts<BR>
> "democracy" as an innovation...<BR>
<BR>
Given that the ideology had been circulating for years in student/youth<BR>
circles with surprisingly little interference by the authorities, the<BR>
Tiananmen crackdown looks like a crackdown on a demonstration and<BR>
organizations, not on an idea as such.  The fact that all sorts of<BR>
ideologies are floating around in the PRC, some beautifully whacko,<BR>
without suppression until they demonstrate organization among their<BR>
followers, I think supports that.<BR>
<BR>
> what happened when Disney plucked one (possibly the only) individualist<BR>
> story out of Chinese legend, then tried to show it in its country of<BR>
> origin.  MULAN bombed in China because she was "too independent, too<BR>
> selfish."  Too Western.<BR>
<BR>
"Mulan" is far from the only "individualist" story in Chinese literature;<BR>
in most ways, it's one of the _least_.  The whole point of the Mulan<BR>
ballad and its various adaptations, pre-Disney, was that Mulan<BR>
subordinates her personal interests to protect her father, and in the end<BR>
turns down opportunity for individual profit & fame.<BR>
<BR>
What is your source for that explanantion of why Disney's "Mulan" bombed<BR>
in China?  I'd be genuinely interested to read more about this.<BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:39:47 +0000<BR>
From: Ewan Quibell <E.D.Quibell@bton.ac.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: In Jokes<BR>
<BR>
> As I was reading all three Vargr Alien modules the night before last I<BR>
> can concur. It says in one of them that Vargr can kick. I couldn't tell<BR>
> you which one though.<BR>
> <BR>
> Ewan<BR>
> --<BR>
<BR>
Of course that should be Vargr *can't* kick, but then dyslexia rules KO.<BR>
<BR>
Ewan<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
   Ewan Quibell                       Their's not to make reply,<BR>
   Senior Communications Engineer     Their's not to reason why,<BR>
   Computer Centre                    Their's but to do and die:<BR>
   University of Brighton             Into the valley of Death<BR>
                                      Rode the six hundred.<BR>
   E.D.Quibell@brighton.ac.uk              Alfred, Lord Tennyson<BR>
<BR>
   #include<stddisclaimer.h><BR>
<BR>
   My spelling is entirerly due to dyslexia, typos, and poetic license<BR>
<BR>
   University of Brighton - Sunday Times' University of the Year<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:30:47 -0000<BR>
From: "Trevor, Peter" <Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com><BR>
Subject: RE: England<BR>
<BR>
Mark Preston wrote:<BR>
> Actually - and this may come as a suprise to Americans - Britain<BR>
> does not have a bill of rights, or even a written constitution.<BR>
> The nearest thing is the Charter 88 - a proposal for a bill of<BR>
> right - and that was not started until 1988.<BR>
<BR>
Which leads to the situation where if you  ask  a  politician  if<BR>
Britain has a constitution they reply "yes", but ask anyone  else<BR>
and they say "no".  Of course its easier for the  politicians  to<BR>
change the constitution if its not written down.<BR>
<BR>
I once heard someone argue that Britain was  freer  than  the  US<BR>
'cos in the US you only have the freedoms listed in laws, whereas<BR>
in Britain you are free to do anything you want unless there  was<BR>
a law proscibing it.  Personally, I don't buy it.<BR>
<BR>
Regards PLST<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:40:12 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
From: Trevor, Peter <Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> I thought it was David Duckovn ... Duch ... what the hell kind of<BR>
> name is that anyway?  Anyway, I thought it was DD who  wanted  to<BR>
> be in California.<BR>
<BR>
Yep, it was.<BR>
<BR>
> Actually it *was* a driving movie.  He's lost his driving licence<BR>
> cos he  drove  a  sports car / russian tank / fire engine / front<BR>
> half of a car / whatever ... recklessly while under the influence<BR>
> of an undisclosed number of vodka martinis.  And he wasn't really<BR>
> a spy but an unemployed auto-worker from Dagenham  ...  all  that<BR>
> spy stuff was just  an  alcohol-induced  hulucination  (obveously<BR>
> getting to shag all  those  women  was  just  a  wish-fulfillment<BR>
> fantasy)!<BR>
<BR>
I knew it all along... but that doesn't make good *film*!<BR>
<BR>
> Could have been an urban myth ... press  accuracy  isn't  exactly<BR>
> good at the best of times.  (Which doesn't help the situation.)<BR>
<BR>
The amount of misinformation in the media is astonishing. The days of *real*<BR>
investigative reporting (you know, where reporters would investigate their<BR>
stories) are long over.<BR>
<BR>
> Okay, just to be fair ... one of my Trav players won 1st place in<BR>
> the UK M:TG championship and a free ride to the  US<BR>
>championship in Seattle (a few years ago).  Mere days before he left<BR>
>he looked in his atlas and was stunned when he saw where Seattle<BR>
>was ... he thought it was near New York.<BR>
<BR>
See! People from exotic foreign lands can be silly as well! We Americans are<BR>
not the *only* silly people in the world.<BR>
<BR>
> Ah, the spirit of Christmas ... where all good folk  go  out  and<BR>
> support their local retailer.  To complete  the  ritual:  on  the<BR>
> 25th you over-eat rich food, over-drink, projectile vomit on  the<BR>
> cat (if you don't own a cat borrow a neighbour's), and  pass  out<BR>
> in front of the TV (which will be showing the ever  festive  "The<BR>
> Great Escape").<BR>
<BR>
Nah, my own Christmas Eve ritual involves inviting my dysfunctional friends<BR>
over for lots of shrimp, beer and massive injections of violent video games.<BR>
This year, our featured video game is Wu Tang, which was formerly called<BR>
Thrill Kill and was thought to be entirely too violent to release.<BR>
<BR>
The true spirit of Christmas, in my humble opinion, is best summed up in the<BR>
words from Mortal Kombat (which was the first game of this tradition):<BR>
<BR>
"Finish him!"<BR>
<BR>
I'll leave it at that.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:38:42 -0000<BR>
From: "Trevor, Peter" <Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Traveller roadshows<BR>
<BR>
Nick Bradbeer wrote:<BR>
> >>>Really? Where in the north? I'm in Lancashire, near Rochdale.<BR>
> >>Doncaster mate, the right side of the Pennines  *grin*<BR>
> >Leeds here,<BR>
><BR>
> Cornwall. Ya don't get a lot more South than that.<BR>
> (But I go to Durham uni, so I have Northern aspirations.)<BR>
<BR>
The great city-state of London, and my group is spread from Epsom<BR>
to Stilton.  However, I'm in Exeter over Christmas.  So are there<BR>
any other Southerners (UK) here or is Traveller a Northern game?<BR>
<BR>
Regards PLST<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:55:05 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: In Jokes<BR>
<BR>
Ewan Quibell wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > As I was reading all three Vargr Alien modules the night before last I<BR>
> > can concur. It says in one of them that Vargr can kick. I couldn't tell<BR>
> > you which one though.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Ewan<BR>
> > --<BR>
> <BR>
> Of course that should be Vargr *can't* kick, but then dyslexia rules KO.<BR>
<BR>
Either that, or it should be "Vargr 'can-can' kick."<BR>
<BR>
La Folies Vargiere, anyone?<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:47:36 -0600<BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
Subject: RE: England<BR>
<BR>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: Trevor, Peter [mailto:Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com]<BR>
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 1999 12:31<BR>
> To: 'traveller@lists.imagiconline.com'<BR>
> Subject: RE: England<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> Mark Preston wrote:<BR>
> > Actually - and this may come as a suprise to Americans - Britain<BR>
> > does not have a bill of rights, or even a written constitution.<BR>
> > The nearest thing is the Charter 88 - a proposal for a bill of<BR>
> > right - and that was not started until 1988.<BR>
> <BR>
> Which leads to the situation where if you  ask  a  politician  if<BR>
> Britain has a constitution they reply "yes", but ask anyone  else<BR>
> and they say "no".  Of course its easier for the  politicians  to<BR>
> change the constitution if its not written down.<BR>
<BR>
Non scripta, non est.  You think politicians can twist the meanings of a<BR>
written law, wait til you see what they can do to stuff not written down.<BR>
<BR>
> I once heard someone argue that Britain was  freer  than  the  US<BR>
> 'cos in the US you only have the freedoms listed in laws, whereas<BR>
> in Britain you are free to do anything you want unless there  was<BR>
> a law proscibing it.  Personally, I don't buy it.<BR>
<BR>
You shouldn't - he's completely backwards.  The US Constitution is written<BR>
from the point of view that the People have all rights and powers, and only<BR>
certain powers are delegated to the Federal and State governments.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES <BR>
Amendments to the Constitution<BR>
Article IX.<BR>
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be<BR>
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.<BR>
<BR>
Article X.<BR>
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor<BR>
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or<BR>
to the people. <BR>
<BR>
As opposed to the 3I, where all power resides in the Iridium throne to be<BR>
allocated as it see fit - except for the power to dissolve the Imperium,<BR>
which is given to the Moot.<BR>
<BR>
vargr1                                                   UPP-8D9B85<BR>
- ---------------------------- Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina.<BR>
Meyers-Briggs personality type: ENTJ                vargr1@jcn1*com<BR>
"...the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with."      dmoody@bridge*com<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:30:07 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: the north american union<BR>
<BR>
>Nick said:<BR>
>>There's always the Regency/Aslan accomodations post-Collapse.<BR>
>Aah! _That_ explains the empty rooms at Doug's...<BR>
>- Hyphen<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<WHOP><BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:42:21 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: War of 1812, xFW, nTh IW<BR>
<BR>
>  More accurately, the proof that sea-power was not the be-all and end-all<BR>
>of strategy, which a number of agencies have since forgotten.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Nor indeed air power, which the Pentagon keeps seeming to forget. But that's<BR>
about the nineteenth time I've said that on this list...<BR>
<BR>
I'll shut up soon.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:48:36 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: 3I Sports<BR>
<BR>
>I use Gravball as the standard sport throughout the Imperium. For details<BR>
of<BR>
>the game try the Missouri Archive at:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
What about worlds below TL-9?<BR>
<BR>
NB<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:06:17 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
Subject: Re: England<BR>
<BR>
Trevor, Peter writes:<BR>
> I once heard someone argue that Britain was  freer  than  the  US<BR>
> 'cos in the US you only have the freedoms listed in laws, whereas<BR>
> in Britain you are free to do anything you want unless there  was<BR>
> a law proscibing it.  Personally, I don't buy it.<BR>
<BR>
Its a nonsense argument.  Within _any_ legal system you are free to take any action that does not violate the law (i.e. you may take any 'legal' action).  That's just a matter of definition.  Of course, the available legal actions can be very limited.  What determines which of two societies is 'freer' is what actions are legal.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:15:25 GMT<BR>
From: "i Steve" <isteve1967@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Traveller roadshows<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Trevor, Peter" <Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com><BR>
<BR>
>or is Traveller a Northern game?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Oh god, Yorkshiremen in space!  "We've bloody misjumped, you daft bugger!"<BR>
<BR>
Or a special combat rule for Yorkshire Travellers, a la Saint Geoff <BR>
Boycott...ignore normal rate of fire, shoot once per hour, roll 8+ to avoid <BR>
hitting another member of your own squad, else hit target for 1 point of <BR>
damage....<BR>
<BR>
(apologies to those who don't get cricket references, but it's revenge for <BR>
the gun control war.  *grin*)<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:16:51 GMT<BR>
From: "i Steve" <isteve1967@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Traveller roadshows<BR>
<BR>
>Maybe we should all get together for a game - somewhere neutral, like<BR>
>Todmorden, which *should* be in Lancashire again <g>.<BR>
<BR>
I'm up for that - what are you refereeing Mark?<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:21:30 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller roadshows<BR>
<BR>
>From: "i Steve" <isteve1967@hotmail.com><BR>
<BR>
>Good call - I'm at the office and am afflicted with <BR>
>alternate "Greatest Christmas Album In The <BR>
>World....Ever" and a Disney compilation....I THINK <BR>
>I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF AFORE THE DAY'S OUT....<BR>
<BR>
He's calling for help, TMLers!  Remember, isteve,<BR>
suicide is never a solution.  Why don't you take out<BR>
the office manager instead?  He or she is probably the<BR>
one who ordered the musical torture.  And please don't<BR>
use a firearm, or you'll just start the politicians<BR>
talking about banning them (instead of banning<BR>
Christmas music, which wouldn't be entirely a bad<BR>
thing).  No, I'd recommend a bo-ken and a loud kiai,<BR>
so that you use all of the muscles in your body when<BR>
striking, which is much more cathartic than just<BR>
squeezing a trigger, and you get that satisfying<BR>
swish-crunch! and the moans of your victim, so repeat<BR>
several times: tzaaaa! swish-crunch! aiee! tzaaa!<BR>
swish-crunch! bluh! tzaaaa! swish-crunch! ohg stop!<BR>
tzaaaa! swish-crunch! no help aag! tzaaaa!<BR>
swish-crunch, tzaaaa! swish-crunch, tzaaaa!<BR>
swish-crunch .... oh thank you I feel better anyway. <BR>
Well, I hope that helps you get through the holidays. <BR>
(Feel free to substitute a baseball or cricket bat,<BR>
golf club, cane, or Oxford English Dictionary<BR>
condensed edition as appropriate.)<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:35:02 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: RE: England<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Mark Preston" <mark@mpreston.demon.co.uk><BR>
<BR>
>Actually - and this may come as a suprise to <BR>
>Americans - Britain does not have a bill of rights, <BR>
>or even a written constitution. <BR>
<BR>
This is no surprise at all to Americans.  Why do you<BR>
think we kicked your king and soldiers out of here two<BR>
hundred some years ago?  Why did we establish a<BR>
republic and not a new monarchy?  Because we saw the<BR>
future of England, all right -- boiled food and rainy<BR>
weather, lining up for the dole and a methadone<BR>
injection, butts kicked in wars with people you used<BR>
to hire as mercenaries, beautiful cars but they're<BR>
always in for repairs, Official Secrets Act, Northern<BR>
Ireland troubles, and did I mention boiled everything?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
We'll give you the Rolling Stones and the Beatles,<BR>
however.  Those are definitely in your favor.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:37:20 GMT<BR>
From: "i Steve" <isteve1967@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller roadshows<BR>
<BR>
>He's calling for help, TMLers!  Remember, isteve,<BR>
>suicide is never a solution.  Why don't you take out<BR>
>the office manager instead?  He or she is probably the<BR>
>one who ordered the musical torture.  And please don't<BR>
>use a firearm, or you'll just start the politicians<BR>
>talking about banning them (instead of banning<BR>
>Christmas music, which wouldn't be entirely a bad<BR>
>thing).  No, I'd recommend a bo-ken and a loud kiai,<BR>
>so that you use all of the muscles in your body when<BR>
>striking, which is much more cathartic than just<BR>
>squeezing a trigger, and you get that satisfying<BR>
>swish-crunch! and the moans of your victim, so repeat<BR>
>several times: tzaaaa! swish-crunch! aiee! tzaaa!<BR>
>swish-crunch! bluh! tzaaaa! swish-crunch! ohg stop!<BR>
>tzaaaa! swish-crunch! no help aag! tzaaaa!<BR>
>swish-crunch, tzaaaa! swish-crunch, tzaaaa!<BR>
>swish-crunch .... oh thank you I feel better anyway.<BR>
<BR>
Worked....P.S. now unemployed accountant seeks gainful employment (will work <BR>
for food, roof over head and enough money to send to Swordy to complete my <BR>
CT collection), can't travel too far as the police asked me not to leave the <BR>
country.....<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:37:56 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: perception of distance<BR>
<BR>
>From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
>My father met a honeymooning couple from England<BR>
[deletion]<BR>
>They didn't believe him when he mentioned how many<BR>
>thousands of miles these "day trips" would take.<BR>
>The biggest difference between an American and an <BR>
>Englishman: an American thinks a hundred years is a <BR>
>long time, an Englishman thinks a hundred miles is a<BR>
>long way.<BR>
<BR>
In Finland many years ago, my aunt Klaara asked my<BR>
then-girlfriend how far from her parents she and I<BR>
lived.  It wasn't the language barrier that led to us<BR>
drawing a map to explain "18 hours by train, or a<BR>
two-hour flight and a five-hour drive."  Klaara just<BR>
needed a while to comprehend that you would still be<BR>
in the same country after travelling for so long, or<BR>
that anything could really be a five hour drive away<BR>
from an airport, or that it would make economic sense<BR>
to drive for five hours rather than taking a smaller<BR>
plane.  <BR>
<BR>
(The places in question, by the way, were from Idaho<BR>
to northwestern Kansas, so it was either Amtrak<BR>
through Utah and Colorado into southwestern Nebraska<BR>
or fly to Denver and drive down (literally) into<BR>
Kansas.)  <BR>
<BR>
This phenomenon isn't limited to Europeans.  When I<BR>
went back to the east coast for college, I was shocked<BR>
at how little many of my classmates (the best and the<BR>
brightest) knew about the geography of the United<BR>
States, even basic things like whether San Francisco<BR>
was west of Chicago or whether Chicago was north of<BR>
Texas.  <BR>
<BR>
Ob Traveller:  People do tend to focus on what's<BR>
important.  While they might know in detail the<BR>
arrangement of stars in their subsector, they may not<BR>
know much about the next sector over.  There is also<BR>
alot more detail to know.  <BR>
<BR>
That statement also applies to us as Traveller<BR>
referees and players.  I've played and refereed almost<BR>
exclusively in the Spinward Marches, and really don't<BR>
know that much detail about the rest of known space.<BR>
<BR>
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